From Soldier to Healer: Martin Webster's Journey Through Trauma and Transformation

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Hello and welcome to this episode of the Choosing Happy podcast.

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Today I got to interview Martin Webster, who is a former british soldier turned NLP and hypnotherapy trainer, and he created his own approach to dealing with trauma and PTSD and has helped literally hundreds of people overcome trauma.

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He covers his story of how he came to create his own technique and his life as a soldier.

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This episode is definitely different from any of the other episodes I've done, so I do give a warning for adult and some quite disturbing content as well.

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So be aware of that for this episode.

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So stay tuned for a wild ride and this week's choosing Happy podcast.

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Hello and welcome to the choose and Happy podcast.

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I'm your host, Heather Masters, and today I'm talking with Martin Webster, who is a former british soldier turned trainer of NLP and hypnotherapy, who works with his own approach to dealing with trauma and PTSD, and he calls that HMS.

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So welcome, Martin.

Martin Webster: 00:01:38

Thanks for inviting me.

Heather Masters: 00:01:40

You're welcome.

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Could you begin by telling us a little bit about your journey and how you came to create HMS and what that is as well, please?

Martin Webster: 00:01:51

Yeah, sure.

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e out, joined the military in: 1995

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I was sent straight out to Northern Ireland and quickly got involved with the Troubles or the war that was going on over.

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People call it the Troubles, but it was pretty horrific.

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It was one of the most terrifying experiences of my life, to be honest, going out to Northern Ireland at the age of 19, and I originally was at art school, so I went from art school to Northern Ireland.

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It was a bit of a shock to the system.

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Yeah.

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So I went through that war and came back, and then I was involved in the war in Sierra Leone.

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After September 11, I was involved in the war in Sierra Leone and then went back out to Northern Ireland for the end of the sort of peace agreement, where people were let out on the Good Friday Agreement, and things were sort of up, the turmoil of Northern Ireland coming to its end, basically at the end of an era.

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And then once that was all sort of tied up, came back from Northern Ireland again and the Iraq war kicked off.

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So was then sent to the Iraq war, where I finally sort of, I suppose, in a way, joined the military to, you know, to protect my country, what I thought was protecting my country.

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And then once we was out there, we realized that it was not what it was all meant to be.

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And we'd been sent out there on basically on the premise of a lie.

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I shot and killed someone while I was out there, which was quite a horrific experience.

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Not so much at the time.

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But when I came back, the sort of consequences of that action started to weigh on my mind heavily, especially when we realized that we were sort of sent down the river with what Tony Blair had sort of initially told us about the 30 minutes that our country could have been, you know, destroyed.

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Within 30 minutes.

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They had weapons of mass destruction, which turned out to be not true.

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So I'd bought property in Spain, and I really started to struggle with civilian life.

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Got married, had a kid.

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And then things start to really sort of.

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I think when I had a child, things really started to decline down because, I think because of what I've been involved with, there was a lot of guilt, a lot of, why should I have a lot.

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A lot of my friends, you know, we've lost friends out in Iraq.

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Many soldiers I knew would start to take their own lives.

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And, yeah, things started to go on a downward spiral.

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So I started to suffer with nightmares, flashbacks, couldn't get myself in any form of routine.

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Came out the military in: 2007

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Was it: 2007

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Oh, sorry, rewind.

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Before that.

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hile I was in the military in: 2006

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When I was out in Iraq, I filmed a lot of what was going on out there for artistic purposes, but also having post traumatic stress disorder.

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I was filming stuff that I shouldn't have been filming, which was war, and showing war for what it really is on the front line.

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And nobody had really got a camera on the front line, sort of unedited, straightaway, frontline soldier on, you know, in the.

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In the heat of battle.

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So getting that footage back was going to be problematic, because the minute that the public saw it, the public weren't prepared already to see what soldiers do in war, and no one ever done it in the first war.

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It's always been sort of, like, scripted and stuff from the first war has always been orchestrated by sort of the military, whereas this was, like, raw footage taken from the front line.

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I was probably pretty much the last person to get a camera onto the front line.

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From a soldier's perspective now you can't do it.

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They wouldn't allow it to happen.

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And lots of pictures and images were coming back from Iraq.

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So the british army decided to punish us all for.

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For filming it.

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And I became sort of the head scapegoat, if you like, for the distraction as well.

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With all the, you know, everything that Tony Blair and all the lies we've been told.

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It was a great distraction to put soldiers out as bad apples, have them tried for their crimes in Iraq, which were all we were doing was carrying out the orders that we've been told to do, you know, and then that way it was sort of relieved the politicians from.

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From the disgusting acts of treason that they created for our country.

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And so, yeah, so they started to build a court.

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I was going to be court martialed.

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It was news of World Front page footage.

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One of my friends had sold it to News of world for a sum of money because he's been kicked out.

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And then.

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So I started having to deal with that then, like.

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But I was now public enemy number one, put in every national newspaper as, like, Britain's hate figure.

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And so having.

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Even going through PTSD, having to deal with the media, which I wasn't trained in doing, the british army had betrayed me by putting me out as a scapegoat.

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I then had to sort of learn how to sort of process huge amounts of negative energy coming at me.

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And then I decided to get out.

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So I signed off.

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supposed to be Christmas time: 2007

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Was that: 2007

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No, Christmas time: 2006

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I got out in.

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I got out around springtime: 2007

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So I'm getting.

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So I'm trying to get out, can't get out.

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And then all of a sudden, the Crown Prosecution Service couldn't prosecute for any of the stuff that we was involved in because we hadn't.

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We'd only done what we'd been told to do.

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So.

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And also the News of the World had.

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I basically gave a copy of the real footage to my friend, who then gave it to the News of the World.

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And the news of the World were then going to suddenly flip the story and back us.

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So the army was in a bit of a position, do we go to trial?

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But then the media have said that they're going to back these soldiers, so it would have flipped back on them.

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So it was a massive spin game that I was involved in and I managed to pull it all off, got out the military with no sort of dishonourable discharge, so I got, you know, I still got entitled to my full pension and, you know, because I hadn't done anything wrong, you know, all I did was film what I saw and I was, you know, going to be.

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Going to be tried for that.

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So then what happened was I got out in the military.

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I was in severe problems, started to acute that, nightmares, flashbacks, couldn't.

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Couldn't sort myself out.

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I then thought I was safe being out in Civvie Street.

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I was completely wrong.

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It was sort of the height of the Gordon brown era, where the country was going, pretty much.

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It felt similar to where we are now, actually.

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Like, you know, that the country was on its knees.

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We'd spent all this money on war and, you know, labor had broken this country, as they always do.

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Well, they all do it.

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They're all conservative, the two cheeks of the same ass, but, you know, the country was on its knees.

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I couldn't get a doctor's appointment.

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I couldn't pay my mortgage, I couldn't go to, I was trying to work, but my head was completely.

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I was so paranoid.

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I thought helicopters were following me around.

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I was so distraught.

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And then I couldn't get a doctor's appointment because I'd been in the military for twelve years, they'd never heard of me.

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So I couldn't get a doctor's appointment.

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I was severely traumatized, very, very close to taking my own life.

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I had two small children that I wasn't living with, so I was living in my car.

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I just couldn't, I just couldn't sort myself out.

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I just couldn't get it together.

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I couldn't handle Civvie street.

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And then all of a sudden I started to, I started to look at other ways to sort myself out.

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I tried the counseling route, so I went, that's it.

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I was trying to get a doctor's appointment.

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And because they said, we don't know who you are, I kept going back to the reception, said, look, I'm not feeling good.

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I feel suicidal, I need help.

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And they would just say, look, come back on Monday morning, we'll try, we'll have a look.

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But because you're not registered anywhere, we can't help you.

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So I remember going to the Royal British Legion.

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get a doctor's appointment by: 12:00

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So I went back to the receptionist and I just said, look, if you don't help me, I'm going to go to the media about this.

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This is wrong.

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You know, we should be getting, I've served for my country for twelve years.

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I deserve to have a doctor's appointment.

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That afternoon I got five calls from five different doctors saying, please, Mister Webster, come in, we can sort this out.

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And it was just, it was just a complete.

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I couldn't get a dentist.

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I then started to sort myself out because I was lucky that I could move back to my mum and dad's house.

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I moved back to my mum and dad's, and I was lucky that they had a roof space, my old attic room.

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So I went back in there.

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I started to recover, but it was a long, a long road.

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I started with the counseling.

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Counseling.

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And I started with all the prescription drugs, which just made me feel suicidal.

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I was like, what is this?

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All I could have is this all?

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And I was going to combat stress, and it was just putting around veterans, just talking about war all the time.

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And it was just, it was just, I thought, is this my life for the rest of my life?

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Is this how it's going to be?

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Then I started going to a spiritualist church where they were doing Reiki healing.

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And that's how sort of, I remember turning up at the, the door doorway of the spiritualist church.

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As soon as the guy opened the door, the guy had a crucifix on which I was.

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And he looked at me and he just looked around me and he went, come in, son.

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All will be explained.

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And when I was in the military, before we went out to Iraq, done a lot of Ouija boards.

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I mean, a hell of a lot of Ouija boards.

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I was into all that ghost hunting stuff and doing serious amounts of, like, like, the dark arts and stuff like that.

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And basically they did this thing when they just, they knew I'd been playing with Ouija boards.

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They said, you've got a lot of shit hanging around you.

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That's sort of like.

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And also all the darkness that comes with going to war, like, almost demonic energy.

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And they cleared some of it, which allowed me to sleep for the first time.

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I was going back for Reiki every week.

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Then I was sort of seeing this military councillor with this group, veterans group.

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I can't remember what her name was now, but she was some sort of, like, psychiatrist that was working.

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It was almost like we was all just, we was like little like my.

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We were just her case studies.

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That's all we were to her.

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You know, there was no sort of connection with her.

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She had no sort of empathy towards us.

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If we died, it didn't really matter because we were just stats on a sheet.

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And I just remember feeling like the level of despair around all of this.

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I'm still trying to pay a mortgage.

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And that was in the end.

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I just.

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I just thought, my best hope is to go bankrupt.

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Went bankrupt.

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Lost my house in Spain, lost my house in Cornwall.

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Just started from scratch again completely just.

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And then I got invited on, I got invited to go to this charity that was using hypnotherapy and NLP to help people with problems, mental health problems.

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And it was in Wales under the guidance of somebody that Tad James trained.

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I wouldn't say his name, Doctor Tad James trained and David shepherd had been involved in, but they, he'd sort of broken away from their, sort of their sort of the.

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The american board of NLP and the American Board of Hypnotherapy and sort of set up his own, his own brand of NLP.

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So I went on this course, it was a practitioner training and there was about 30 people on the course and some had paid, some hadn't paid, and he was trying to break through with using timeline therapy with people in the military, so, which is obviously Doctor Tad James therapy and approach.

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As soon as I went on that course, it was horrifying.

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But also hope.

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There was, there was hope, there was more hope than what I saw with, you know, and I remember like third day into the practitioner training, I went into complete shock, I.

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Into panic I think, as well.

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I was processing a lot of other people's were dropping trauma in the room and it just.

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There's all different, like from people that had been involved some horrific situations in different war zones from the Northern Ireland conflict right back to, I think we had some second world war veterans.

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It was just, it just seemed like a mess.

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But there was some sort of hope in the therapy process and timeline therapy.

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My first session with somebody and I took this SES guy through a session, it was almost like I was dragging him through it and I remember his hands getting really like the whole process was.

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Was quite.

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I found all the like to dislike stuff and all the.

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All the sort of swish pattern stuff, right?

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Like, I just be really honest, I found it nonsense to deal with PTSD.

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It doesn't, it doesn't work.

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It's just, it's very flimsy and for me it's great.

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Without those techniques you wouldn't have, you know, you, you wouldn't have those techniques work for some people, but for severe trauma they don't.

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And I was in there and I remember we did hypnosis, getting people to stick their hands to the heads, getting them to do the, like the balloon and dictionary and then doing the sort of getting them.

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And I just.

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Why do I need to know that shit?

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The way I looked at it, I thought, what's that for?

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Big for me when I come in, the military everything as a military soldier is results.

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What's the problem?

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What's the solution?

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What's the result?

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And you're constantly looking at what works and what doesn't work.

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And all I was looking at was, right, that works.

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I like that.

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That works.

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Sub modalities work, this works.

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Values elicitation, that work.

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And I was just taking all the stuff that worked.

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I'm thinking, what would I do if I'm working with a soldier who's got post traumatics or somebody who's got severe trauma?

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So at the end of that course, I was very hopeful.

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I was thinking, there is definitely something in this went on the.

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I got invited on Master Prac, and the way I was to pay back my course was to work for this charity for free.

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So every month I would dedicate, like, two days of my time, go up to Manchester, my shitty little car, and help this charity with veterans with severe post traumatic stress disorder.

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And I started to come into contact with all sorts of crazy energies up there.

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That was like.

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It was like a meat market, basically.

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It was like you just had all these novice practitioners trying to help people who had mental health problems ourselves.

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It was just a mess.

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I remember talking to David shepherd about this and it was absolutely horrific.

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It was not a pleasant experience.

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And then the guy who was running the training was also like.

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He was trying to do stuff on a commercial level.

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I mean, I do commend him for what he tried to do.

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Without his help, you know, I wouldn't be where I am today.

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But it felt very disingenuous to stuff.

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It was like, the main aim at the end of it, I think, was to make a lot of money and to get this implemented into the.

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Into like, the mod world and stuff like that.

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But because the NHS.

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And because those mental health practices, like, comment, like, you know, psychology and the NHS approaches are so rigorous around counseling and pharmaceutical drugs, there's just no room for this.

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They don't want it in there.

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And they've.

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They've always been like, door shut, we're not interested.

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And not just that, a lot of their counselors have all got severe mental health.

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They're all narcissists and don't want to.

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They don't want to see something new and they're not prepared to work on themselves.

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They're not prepared to do any shadow work.

Heather Masters: 00:18:16

Yeah, yeah.

Martin Webster: 00:18:17

And it's like anyone who gets really high up in this thing, there's a level of ego where when you stop doing therapy on yourself, when you stop to doing shadow work, and change work.

Martin Webster: 00:18:26

That's when the therapy stops.

Martin Webster: 00:18:28

That's my opinion, you know.

Heather Masters: 00:18:30

No, no, absolutely.

Heather Masters: 00:18:31

It's a journey.

Heather Masters: 00:18:32

It's constant, isn't it?

Martin Webster: 00:18:33

So, yeah, so I'm just seeing all this mess going on and I started to think then that was when I came across the, the drop down through technique and I said, oh, we should never do this.

Martin Webster: 00:18:42

You should never use the drop down through technique and you should never go below to never go past two positives.

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Once you get to two positives, that's it, stay there.

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And I was like, well, why is that?

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Then what?

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And they couldn't explain it to me.

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Said, oh, it will stretch the boundaries of your perception and it'll blow your parameters of your.

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The way you think and stuff like that.

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And I was bollocks that I said, right, told this royal Marine, send me in, send me in for the drop down through technique.

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And I remember sitting on a chair and I remember feeling like going through these layers and I said, kept sending me down and I felt like I was going into past life stuff and I now felt like I was on, I was like my feet was on the ceiling and I had a real out of body experience.

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And when I came back round, I felt like I'd been present throughout the whole journey.

Martin Webster: 00:19:23

And now this time we were using not timeline therapy because Doctor Todd James, I think, took it away from the guy that was running this training.

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So he invented spectrum therapy, which was his own process, using colors.

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Now, I think spectrum was definitely a great addition and it's a shame that we couldn't have all got together and gone, right, what's the best tool on the market?

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But because there's so many egos involved, that's never going to happen.

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So I'm like, all I want to do is get well.

Martin Webster: 00:19:52

And I remember at that point I had a bit of an argument with the guy running the course and he was like, why do you feel that you keep needing therapy?

Martin Webster: 00:19:59

I said, because I'm not fixed.

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I'm not fixed.

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I want.

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I want to come away and I want to feel totally in control of my life.

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And I feel like I've still got shit, I've still got layers.

Martin Webster: 00:20:10

And because we were never doing any past life stuff, because we was always doing like, you know, I'd run out of things in this lifetime and I didn't what I was asked, but why am I still getting problems?

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Why am I still getting snags?

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Why am I still ultra aggressive in these areas?

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And for me, that that's me, I was a trained killer.

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I was trained to be in the army.

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I was trained to kill and I was trained to do dark things and those things were still hanging about me.

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So I was like, how do I get rid of all that stuff?

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So I then went on to do.

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I got.

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I remember everything into the charity and then the charity and the.

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The trainer who was trained by doctor Tad James, he was.

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They were both going separate ways.

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And also there was one incident where somebody came to Cornwall on one, on a training that I'd organized.

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And I think it was about a time when I just.

Martin Webster: 00:21:01

I'd just gone through bankruptcy, so I'd given everything up to put on this therapy event.

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And the CEO of this charity, which remained nameless, got.

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Got pissed drunk every day with the clients on the course.

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And one of the clients to the course was Nessie Eskai, who'd come on a few courses and all he did on the course was just get drunk and talk about war stories.

Martin Webster: 00:21:22

And then I went up to him in the morning and I said, where are you off?

Martin Webster: 00:21:25

And he was off to go and buy a drink for the day.

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And I said, well, when you get back, pack your kit up and fuck off, because I don't want you around it.

Martin Webster: 00:21:34

I said, you don't want to change?

Martin Webster: 00:21:36

Go.

Martin Webster: 00:21:36

You ever come here to change it?

Martin Webster: 00:21:37

And I was only a therapist at the time, the CEO of the chat, because you can't speak to people like that.

Martin Webster: 00:21:42

I said, yes, I can.

Martin Webster: 00:21:43

I said, I've given up everything to put this event on.

Martin Webster: 00:21:46

I provided tents for them to stay in.

Martin Webster: 00:21:48

It was down in Cornwall.

Martin Webster: 00:21:49

It was a lovely five days of doing therapy.

Martin Webster: 00:21:52

We had 20 with 20 clients on the course.

Martin Webster: 00:21:55

Anyway, this guy just got completely pissed and he came back later that day and he said, you know what?

Martin Webster: 00:22:01

He said, you're right.

Martin Webster: 00:22:02

He said, you got.

Martin Webster: 00:22:02

Because I've got no right to have come on this course and just got drunk and I'm going to come back on another course and I'm.

Martin Webster: 00:22:08

I'm gonna sort myself out.

Martin Webster: 00:22:10

Anyway, that day he got drunk again, got on the train, and while he was on the train, got up, hit his head on, fell over, hit his head on the sink, in the toilet and died on the train from Falmouth to Truro.

Martin Webster: 00:22:21

Yeah.

Martin Webster: 00:22:22

And luckily we had a french journalist who'd been on the course to see that he hadn't been killed on our course or not killed, but, like, he hadn't died on our course, because the whole thing would have been like a national flipping.

Martin Webster: 00:22:34

But this guy didn't want to change.

Heather Masters: 00:22:36

And hypnosis and alcohol doesn't go well.

Martin Webster: 00:22:42

No.

Martin Webster: 00:22:43

So the CEO of the charities go, don't tell anyone about that.

Martin Webster: 00:22:45

Anyway, I was done with him.

Martin Webster: 00:22:46

I thought, I don't want anything to do with this charity.

Martin Webster: 00:22:49

They don't take it serious enough.

Martin Webster: 00:22:51

And then I basically got invited by this guy who was running the NLP courses to France to do my trainers training, I think, on the premise that I was going to work for him, I was going to work for him with this thing called the poppy appeal so I could work for him and this charity would pay for me to work with him.

Martin Webster: 00:23:16

So it was like, it was like a win win solution for me.

Martin Webster: 00:23:19

So I went on this.

Martin Webster: 00:23:21

And also I was getting him out to America, I was getting him in with all my Vietnam veteran contacts.

Martin Webster: 00:23:25

I was getting flown to America every year to work Vietnam veterans.

Martin Webster: 00:23:28

So I was testing a lot of these skills out and developing my skills with these Vietnam veterans.

Martin Webster: 00:23:33

But he wasn't invited out on the second year because he went out there and told them that.

Martin Webster: 00:23:38

He told a lot of Vietnam veterans that PTSD doesn't exist, which went down like a lead balloon.

Martin Webster: 00:23:44

And, yeah, it doesn't exist in your model of the world, if you want to look at it doesn't, but it exists for these people.

Martin Webster: 00:23:50

And this guy was an ex soldier himself, but he served in the PT court, whereas for me, I was an infantry soldier.

Martin Webster: 00:23:55

I was what we call a dagger.

Martin Webster: 00:23:56

So I was frontline.

Martin Webster: 00:23:57

I wasn't like Pontine about in a gym, you know, it's like telling somebody when you're from the gym world or from the logistics world that.

Martin Webster: 00:24:05

That Pete is didn't see, but when you've got, when you've had to go up in close quarter with the enemy and kill the enemy, you've got to live with that for the rest of your lives.

Martin Webster: 00:24:12

This guy really didn't know what he was talking about as it comes to, you know, frontline soldiers.

Martin Webster: 00:24:18

And I think with my problem throughout my careers I've always told the truth and I've always been.

Martin Webster: 00:24:23

It's either black or white, simple as that.

Martin Webster: 00:24:26

And I've never stayed in anything very, very long because people don't like me because I'm a fucking gate truth pill.

Martin Webster: 00:24:33

And it's like, so I'm there trying to exist in this corporate world with.

Martin Webster: 00:24:39

And I always remember getting told, Mark, this is above your pay grade.

Martin Webster: 00:24:42

This mark, you wouldn't understand this mark, I'm thinking, I understand everything.

Martin Webster: 00:24:46

And I knew this guy was also.

Martin Webster: 00:24:48

He was sleeping around.

Martin Webster: 00:24:49

He was cheating on his ex.

Martin Webster: 00:24:51

He told me this and I thought, I, if you're sorry, he was cheating on his wife.

Martin Webster: 00:24:55

And I thought, if you're prepared to cheat on your wife, I mean nothing to you.

Martin Webster: 00:24:58

You're going about values and shit like that.

Martin Webster: 00:24:59

You haven't got any values, mate.

Martin Webster: 00:25:01

So I was like, not happy with the way that this person was running his business.

Martin Webster: 00:25:05

And so I just started to make my exit plan.

Martin Webster: 00:25:08

So I started to think, right, I'm going to develop my own therapy.

Martin Webster: 00:25:11

So I did, you know, in the background, I kept working with him and we just grew further and further.

Martin Webster: 00:25:16

Apartheid.

Martin Webster: 00:25:19

Once I had the birth of my daughter, I thought, this is the time to launch my product of therapy.

Martin Webster: 00:25:24

And I called it HMS therapy, which standard for heart, mole heart, mind and soul therapy, which is about linking the head and the heart.

Martin Webster: 00:25:34

For me, it was always about the parts integration was the most powerful, powerful intervention with someone who's in civil war with herself, getting the head and the heart working together as an integrated unit.

Martin Webster: 00:25:47

So even though parts isn't my main premise of HMS therapy, the way HMS works is you do mum and dad.

Martin Webster: 00:25:55

You can do them together or individually, and you start off with what all the like, you know, the negative emotions connected to them.

Martin Webster: 00:26:05

Angus, Abdus feel gut hurt, not love, not good enough, not worthy, core beliefs.

Martin Webster: 00:26:10

And all you do is you drop through those layers.

Martin Webster: 00:26:12

Once you've done mum and daddy, then you work on relationships, then you can work around that whole wheel of life and that clear out every sort of portion of your life where the problems.

Martin Webster: 00:26:21

And then I'd start to look at, right, if you've got an addiction problem.

Martin Webster: 00:26:24

But I wouldn't touch addiction until we've done mom dad relationships.

Martin Webster: 00:26:29

So then that way we're not going back over the same thing again.

Martin Webster: 00:26:32

And I developed this.

Martin Webster: 00:26:33

This process called the change day.

Martin Webster: 00:26:35

So you do a full day of change work with me, which was 6 hours, and you go through mum dad relationships, business and career, money and finances.

Martin Webster: 00:26:43

Any traumatic memories and you.

Martin Webster: 00:26:45

It's like a.

Martin Webster: 00:26:45

Basically a day of a life mot in a day, and you should come out a lot better than what you started.

Martin Webster: 00:26:53

Always leave people in a better place than you found them.

Martin Webster: 00:26:57

And I just got really good with clients, you know, and what I noticed was a lot of trainers were great at teaching, but none of them were actually working with people.

Martin Webster: 00:27:04

So I always managed to keep that balance of doing lots and lots of therapy with people and then doing training, and then I could pass on what I'd learned from each client I worked for into the training real time, you know, and you're only as good as your last client.

Martin Webster: 00:27:17

And if you're not getting clients, you shouldn't be a fair, you shouldn't be working as a healer because that's what we are.

Martin Webster: 00:27:23

We're healing, helping heal people.

Martin Webster: 00:27:26

Not to mention the amount of knowledge that comes to you when you're doing this stuff.

Martin Webster: 00:27:29

When you hit the no nothing state.

Martin Webster: 00:27:30

Is it grindo that used to talk about the hitting, the no nothing state that the amount of intelligence that comes through you, but it's not.

Martin Webster: 00:27:37

You don't ever get confused, think this is you doing it, because this is the biggest problem is people get their egos in the way and clients are a privilege.

Martin Webster: 00:27:46

They're not a right.

Martin Webster: 00:27:47

Your clients are a privilege.

Martin Webster: 00:27:48

They're not a right.

Martin Webster: 00:27:49

You don't just, you don't just because you've done your practitioner training you don't deserve to have a client unless the universe is going to give you a client.

Martin Webster: 00:27:56

And whenever I'm not getting clients it's because I know I've got shadow work to do.

Martin Webster: 00:28:00

I'm in a not a great place myself.

Martin Webster: 00:28:02

And all of this just didn't.

Martin Webster: 00:28:04

Even with the world, the people I was working with, they were just, oh, I'm a master practitioner.

Martin Webster: 00:28:08

Was the last time you put work with someone?

Martin Webster: 00:28:09

Oh, six months ago.

Martin Webster: 00:28:11

Alright so you're not a master practitioner then.

Martin Webster: 00:28:13

So for me it's like you're only as good as your last client.

Martin Webster: 00:28:17

Keep working.

Martin Webster: 00:28:17

Keep.

Martin Webster: 00:28:18

And if people can't afford to work you know, the people will come to you for free and you're just constantly working on keeping your, what we used to call in the military, keeping your sword sharp, working on your basic skills.

Martin Webster: 00:28:29

Basic fundamentals is the key to mastery.

Martin Webster: 00:28:33

You know, the repetition and the basic fundamentals is the key to mastery.

Martin Webster: 00:28:37

So.

Martin Webster: 00:28:38

So for me I launched my new therapy.

Martin Webster: 00:28:40

I got a horrible text from the guy who sort of trained me and took me to trainer level.

Martin Webster: 00:28:46

But on my trainers training when I was on it he wasn't present because he, he didn't even teach that.

Martin Webster: 00:28:53

We just taught ourselves basically we spent the whole of our trainers training filling up our own manuals because he had a problem that was going on outside with some accusations being thrown in.

Martin Webster: 00:29:03

So.

Martin Webster: 00:29:03

So for me it was perfect time to get all my slides together and design all my own products, which is what I did, but never forgetting where these products had come from.

Martin Webster: 00:29:12

You know, from doctor Todd James, from David shepherd.

Martin Webster: 00:29:15

Those that trained the guy that trained me and then come being passed down the line, you know, and I don't.

Martin Webster: 00:29:21

Listen, I don't ever hold any ill against that guy.

Martin Webster: 00:29:23

He is who he is and I respect him as the person that gave me some opportunities.

Martin Webster: 00:29:28

So.

Martin Webster: 00:29:29

So for me, if I didn't meet him, I wouldn't be where I am today.

Martin Webster: 00:29:32

So there's a level of love there and thank you for.

Martin Webster: 00:29:36

For giving me those chances, but there's also a lot of.

Martin Webster: 00:29:39

You're very different from.

Martin Webster: 00:29:41

I never.

Martin Webster: 00:29:42

I only got meet David Shepherd a few years ago and we sort of talked about what went through, everything.

Martin Webster: 00:29:49

I just found it just really.

Martin Webster: 00:29:52

When I look back at my NLP practitioner journey, it was shit.

Martin Webster: 00:29:56

It was just as shit as war.

Martin Webster: 00:29:57

It was.

Martin Webster: 00:29:58

It was.

Martin Webster: 00:29:59

I felt like I had to go through it, but it wasn't a pleasant experience.

Martin Webster: 00:30:04

The experiences I've given my practitioners, the way I've trained them, they haven't.

Martin Webster: 00:30:08

They haven't got a clue what I've been through.

Martin Webster: 00:30:09

And I don't bring it into the trainings, but my whole NLP practitioner training has been fucking horrific.

Martin Webster: 00:30:17

And I felt like I had to go through it that way because I don't know any other way of.

Martin Webster: 00:30:22

You know, they say that you manifest your destiny and I must have manifested that big shit sandwich.

Martin Webster: 00:30:27

But the whole process, all the people I had to work with, all the horror stories I had to.

Martin Webster: 00:30:32

People had been through murders and it's just exhausted.

Martin Webster: 00:30:37

And when I look at the people, like the lady I've just trained, I just think we've just had fun, you know, we've done some hard stuff.

Martin Webster: 00:30:43

We've dealt with some hard gestalts, some of that, but.

Martin Webster: 00:30:45

But my training, it was just as.

Martin Webster: 00:30:47

It was just like going through Iraq again, you know, it was horrific.

Martin Webster: 00:30:55

It was horrific.

Martin Webster: 00:30:57

And I hope nobody ever.

Martin Webster: 00:30:58

I hope the NLP world, it just feels like there's what we used to call it, the NLP, Wally, the person just not.

Martin Webster: 00:31:06

Not patterns and then suddenly comes off the course.

Martin Webster: 00:31:08

That's not knotting people and.

Martin Webster: 00:31:10

And making a complete arse theirselves or chunking people down in bars and stuff like that.

Martin Webster: 00:31:15

And that's what.

Martin Webster: 00:31:16

That's what was happening.

Martin Webster: 00:31:17

It was these skills being taught to absolute ignoramuses.

Martin Webster: 00:31:20

People had no clue what they're doing, the NLP, Wally.

Martin Webster: 00:31:24

And when I look back at it, I just think, God, I'm glad I got through all that because it's exhausting just.

Martin Webster: 00:31:31

Just telling that whole story there of how I got to here.

Martin Webster: 00:31:33

So once I set up hms, I did it on a corporate level.

Martin Webster: 00:31:36

I started training people.

Martin Webster: 00:31:37

I'd got rid of all the baggage and I even stopped working with people, veterans.

Martin Webster: 00:31:41

For a while, I just started working with corporate clients and keeping it light.

Martin Webster: 00:31:47

And when I trained a practitioner, sometimes I trained, like, one or two practitioners a year.

Martin Webster: 00:31:52

And I would.

Martin Webster: 00:31:53

What I did was I started to get other work in areas like.

Martin Webster: 00:31:56

So building my fishing work that I do now.

Martin Webster: 00:31:59

And I wanted to.

Martin Webster: 00:32:00

I never wanted to be in a position where I was hunting for clients the way the people I used to work with, because I needed to pay the mortgage.

Martin Webster: 00:32:08

I wanted.

Martin Webster: 00:32:09

I wanted the clients to come to me on a natural cycle.

Martin Webster: 00:32:13

And if I'm earning money from other means, that meant that I didn't have to force trying to get.

Martin Webster: 00:32:19

Oh, God, I've got to get clients.

Martin Webster: 00:32:20

Got to get clients.

Martin Webster: 00:32:20

Got to get a practitioner training going because I got to pay the mortgage.

Martin Webster: 00:32:24

And that.

Martin Webster: 00:32:24

That just didn't sit right with me, like, taking clients.

Martin Webster: 00:32:27

And also, as well, I saw a lot of counsellors in the counseling world that don't want their clients to get better because they're terrified, them getting well and then losing the money.

Martin Webster: 00:32:37

So for me, it was like I was the one stop therapist.

Martin Webster: 00:32:40

You come to me, I get you sorted, you get off.

Martin Webster: 00:32:42

I just helped the lady this week.

Martin Webster: 00:32:45

Just got on a flight, paid.

Martin Webster: 00:32:47

Paid two months ago to do some work.

Martin Webster: 00:32:50

She went terrified of going on a flight, worked ver.

Martin Webster: 00:32:54

And I promised her for free, free of charge, that the night before the flight, we'll do some therapy.

Martin Webster: 00:32:59

And she.

Martin Webster: 00:32:59

She texted me on Saturday morning, picture of her on the plane, so she couldn't get off.

Martin Webster: 00:33:05

And she's.

Martin Webster: 00:33:06

I can't thank you enough.

Martin Webster: 00:33:07

So for me, it's always about getting the results with a client or the girl.

Martin Webster: 00:33:11

I just trained Lexi, and now she's, like, gonna be super awesome as a therapist.

Martin Webster: 00:33:16

I'm just gonna keep working with her.

Martin Webster: 00:33:17

Doing some online stuff.

Martin Webster: 00:33:18

Was doing some online stuff tomorrow night.

Martin Webster: 00:33:20

I just keep working with her, keep training until she starts getting her own paid clients.

Martin Webster: 00:33:24

And then she starts to make the money that she's invested into my course by getting that, you know, by getting paid clients.

Martin Webster: 00:33:33

And the last guy trained Mike before Lexi, Mike, who was an ex headmaster of a school, actually, who come out of it because he was disenfranchised with the way the school system worked, trained him.

Martin Webster: 00:33:45

He's now paid back his course.

Martin Webster: 00:33:47

He's now into profit.

Martin Webster: 00:33:48

So that was six months ago.

Martin Webster: 00:33:49

He done his practice and training with me.

Martin Webster: 00:33:50

He's now paid his course back and he's now into profit.

Martin Webster: 00:33:54

For me, that gives me such a sense of achievement, because if you don't do it on a business level, you're never going to be able to sustain it.

Martin Webster: 00:34:02

And you can give this stuff away for free, but you'll never.

Martin Webster: 00:34:07

There will be those chances to work with people where they can't afford it and you offer it to them.

Martin Webster: 00:34:11

But from my lesson has been, whenever you give away for free, people don't value it, and then you end up wasting your energy.

Martin Webster: 00:34:21

Hope I come across too negative, but my journey has been very, very hard.

Martin Webster: 00:34:27

It hasn't been a barrel of laughs, to be honest.

Heather Masters: 00:34:30

Okay.

Heather Masters: 00:34:31

Coming back to you mentioned the soul side of things and the past lives.

Heather Masters: 00:34:37

And for a soldier, that would come across to most people as an unlikely find, if you like, how did you come across that and how did you know?

Heather Masters: 00:34:50

How does that integrate within HMTH?

Martin Webster: 00:34:53

Well, because I got in through the spiritual world anyway, because it was through the spiritualist church that gave me my original training.

Martin Webster: 00:34:59

And also the stuff I learned through the Reiki healing and all that lot.

Martin Webster: 00:35:05

It kept me safe throughout this journey.

Martin Webster: 00:35:08

When I did all my therapy on my master, no, my trainer's training, I sort of rejected growing up as a Catholic and going to a catholic school, I rejected my spirituality.

Martin Webster: 00:35:19

And when I.

Martin Webster: 00:35:19

When I did my breakthrough one night, I had to let go of some real big stuff.

Martin Webster: 00:35:25

And it was, say what you like, but Jesus came to me.

Martin Webster: 00:35:28

I saw an image of Jesus, my image of Jesus.

Martin Webster: 00:35:31

Whether that's true to anyone else, it doesn't matter.

Martin Webster: 00:35:33

But for me, it was real.

Martin Webster: 00:35:34

And he came in and he hugged me and I cried.

Martin Webster: 00:35:36

I sobbed, I sobbed holding him.

Martin Webster: 00:35:40

And for me, it was like the only thing that could shift that was hanging around me was, I accept Jesus.

Martin Webster: 00:35:45

I accept Jesus.

Martin Webster: 00:35:46

I accept Jesus.

Martin Webster: 00:35:47

There was no sort of like, you know, not, not pattern that work.

Martin Webster: 00:35:51

And I had.

Martin Webster: 00:35:51

The guy that was doing it was a born again Christian who worked in the prison service called.

Martin Webster: 00:35:57

I can't remember what his name is.

Martin Webster: 00:35:58

He probably wouldn't want his name mentioned.

Martin Webster: 00:36:00

But I just kept saying to him, say the Lord's prayer.

Martin Webster: 00:36:03

He was saying the Lord's prayer.

Martin Webster: 00:36:04

I was saying, I accept Jesus.

Martin Webster: 00:36:05

That was anything that shifted.

Martin Webster: 00:36:07

The thing that was, was what was attached to me, which felt like some deepest demonic energy.

Martin Webster: 00:36:12

And I'd worked with.

Martin Webster: 00:36:13

I've worked a lot with people that have had stuff, you know, worked with a guy that was hearing voices that came back from Afghanistan.

Martin Webster: 00:36:19

He was a sergeant major in the.

Martin Webster: 00:36:20

In the army.

Martin Webster: 00:36:21

And all of a sudden now he's just a wreck going, the voices, the voices and his.

Martin Webster: 00:36:25

It was like someone was grabbing his head and literally twitched.

Martin Webster: 00:36:28

Twitch.

Martin Webster: 00:36:28

And I managed to get him using hypnosis techniques.

Martin Webster: 00:36:34

I hadn't designed hypnotherapy then, but I managed to get.

Martin Webster: 00:36:38

Get this thing, what he called the voices, the image of it, and put it on a raft and got him to push the raft out.

Martin Webster: 00:36:45

This is when I was on helping this charity and he stopped.

Martin Webster: 00:36:50

He stopped twitching.

Martin Webster: 00:36:51

He stopped saying the voice.

Martin Webster: 00:36:52

He said, whatever you've done there, that's.

Martin Webster: 00:36:54

That's just pulled it.

Martin Webster: 00:36:55

I said, right, come back tomorrow.

Martin Webster: 00:36:56

We're going to.

Martin Webster: 00:36:57

We're going to work on that again.

Martin Webster: 00:36:59

That night he got pissed up with the CEO of that charity and he didn't bother turning up because he was drunk.

Martin Webster: 00:37:05

So I got.

Martin Webster: 00:37:06

That was the thing.

Martin Webster: 00:37:06

It was like I was.

Martin Webster: 00:37:07

I was constantly doing, like, great work and then I was like, the people around me, it was almost like they were possessed.

Martin Webster: 00:37:13

They had shit around like the people from the sea, they did.

Martin Webster: 00:37:17

And it comes back to my faith.

Martin Webster: 00:37:19

I've always had a strong faith and I believe in Christ, I believe in God.

Martin Webster: 00:37:23

I've been in a higher power and that keeps me safe from.

Martin Webster: 00:37:27

For doing this stuff.

Martin Webster: 00:37:28

And whenever I'm doing it, I'm using.

Martin Webster: 00:37:31

Using the power of love and light to help people, you know, clear whatever it is.

Martin Webster: 00:37:36

Some people don't have any of that stuff.

Martin Webster: 00:37:38

It's like it's just a case of just doing, you know, a normal clearance of mum dad relationships.

Martin Webster: 00:37:44

But there's some people that seem to have some really dark shit or what they believe is curses or.

Martin Webster: 00:37:49

And then I've got to get spiritual.

Martin Webster: 00:37:51

And that's when whatever's coming through me isn't me.

Martin Webster: 00:37:54

I just hand over to the big Mandev or big woman, whatever you want to call it, and just whatever comes out.

Martin Webster: 00:38:02

But it's a for your force, for good.

Martin Webster: 00:38:04

You're working for, you know, you're working for love and light and you're trying to help somebody.

Martin Webster: 00:38:09

As long as you do it with love in your heart, you'll never mess anybody up.

Martin Webster: 00:38:13

When I hear people saying, oh, you know, we got warned not to do this.

Martin Webster: 00:38:15

If you're doing it with the right intentions, you'll help somebody.

Martin Webster: 00:38:18

But sometimes you come away and you can feel like, the transference or you can feel.

Martin Webster: 00:38:22

But for me, what I've always thought about is, like, what?

Martin Webster: 00:38:24

Go back to Carl Jung, you know, the negative use in others is what's unresolved in yourself.

Martin Webster: 00:38:28

So if you come away and you're feeling transference or, you know, people say things attached to you, that stuff is in you.

Martin Webster: 00:38:35

That's the.

Martin Webster: 00:38:36

That's your shadow work that you've got to work on.

Martin Webster: 00:38:37

That's the stuff you've got to let go of.

Martin Webster: 00:38:39

And actually working with someone and you come away feeling worse and like you've taken on their shit.

Martin Webster: 00:38:45

I like Newton's balls.

Martin Webster: 00:38:47

Bang.

Martin Webster: 00:38:47

You hit the ball, and it's like.

Martin Webster: 00:38:49

It's hit you, and then it's.

Martin Webster: 00:38:51

It's.

Martin Webster: 00:38:51

It's dislodged something, and then you're all over the place, and then you got to do some change work on yourself.

Martin Webster: 00:38:56

Which means whenever I did that, my clients got better.

Martin Webster: 00:38:59

My practitioners I trained got better.

Martin Webster: 00:39:01

The more shadow work I did, the better the quality clients I got afterwards.

Martin Webster: 00:39:06

But when I was in a real bad place, you know, you're only getting your reflections in your mirrors.

Heather Masters: 00:39:10

Yeah.

Martin Webster: 00:39:11

And this is what tries to.

Martin Webster: 00:39:12

Psychiatrists and counselors.

Martin Webster: 00:39:14

If, like, if your clients are a mess, it's because your world's a mess.

Heather Masters: 00:39:18

Yeah.

Martin Webster: 00:39:21

Does it make sense, what I'm saying?

Heather Masters: 00:39:23

Oh, perception is projection.

Martin Webster: 00:39:28

What's unresolved in yourself.

Martin Webster: 00:39:30

And that's the hardest thing to get your head around.

Martin Webster: 00:39:33

It's like, going, actually.

Martin Webster: 00:39:34

What?

Martin Webster: 00:39:34

That's me.

Martin Webster: 00:39:35

There's something in me.

Martin Webster: 00:39:36

But that doesn't mean you meet a pedophile when you go, oh, I'm the pedophile?

Martin Webster: 00:39:39

No, it's the fact of there's some.

Martin Webster: 00:39:41

There's like, I.

Martin Webster: 00:39:43

You know, there's some terror.

Martin Webster: 00:39:44

It lies within you that perhaps you're afraid of someone doing that to your children or something like that.

Martin Webster: 00:39:49

So the thing is, it's letting go of that so you can then live that perfect.

Martin Webster: 00:39:53

I believe.

Martin Webster: 00:39:54

I believe the earth's a school.

Martin Webster: 00:39:55

We're here to learn.

Martin Webster: 00:39:56

And now you can be living in an open door prison where you're allowed to go out for the day and like to experience positive things.

Martin Webster: 00:40:04

But then you've got some people that are sort of in a cage because they're still wild and angry and they've got to be in a maximum insecurity.

Martin Webster: 00:40:09

So they've created.

Martin Webster: 00:40:10

They've manifested their own hell.

Martin Webster: 00:40:13

So we're in an outdoor prison, like me and you are on day release.

Martin Webster: 00:40:16

We're allowed to go out.

Martin Webster: 00:40:17

And so that's how I look at it.

Martin Webster: 00:40:20

You know, it's purgatory, whatever you want to call it.

Martin Webster: 00:40:23

We're in some sort of, you know, the matrix that we're in.

Martin Webster: 00:40:27

But if the more shadow work that you do on this planet means you don't have to come back again on the next.

Martin Webster: 00:40:35

It's.

Martin Webster: 00:40:36

That's what, that's what.

Martin Webster: 00:40:37

That's what.

Martin Webster: 00:40:37

That's just my belief.

Martin Webster: 00:40:38

I don't know if that's true, but from my experience, this life can be.

Heather Masters: 00:40:44

I do want to kind of add, just for people listening, that perception, as projection, works the other way, so that, as you say, once you've cleared all your stuff, that the good you see in others is also in you.

Heather Masters: 00:41:00

So you can't identify something you don't have.

Martin Webster: 00:41:03

But then you can see that when you've done all your shadow work.

Martin Webster: 00:41:05

Because I can get up in the morning now and go, oh, my God.

Martin Webster: 00:41:08

Grateful for my partner.

Martin Webster: 00:41:09

I'm grateful for my children.

Martin Webster: 00:41:10

I'm grateful for the house I've got.

Martin Webster: 00:41:11

I'm grateful for the money it's in my bank.

Martin Webster: 00:41:13

I'm grateful for the food that's in the cupboard.

Martin Webster: 00:41:14

And I can go through that checklist.

Martin Webster: 00:41:16

But I couldn't do that years ago because I was like, oh, what is it?

Martin Webster: 00:41:18

Oh, no, not there.

Martin Webster: 00:41:20

What's that happening now?

Martin Webster: 00:41:21

Why am I going bankrupt and constantly not owning any of it?

Martin Webster: 00:41:24

Thinking that this has all been put amongst me, but it was all part of the training that I must have said, right, I want this.

Martin Webster: 00:41:31

I want this training package.

Martin Webster: 00:41:32

When I come to.

Martin Webster: 00:41:34

When I come to the earth again.

Martin Webster: 00:41:37

I remember getting.

Martin Webster: 00:41:37

I remember getting a tarot reading once, and I don't agree with tarot reading.

Martin Webster: 00:41:40

I like angel cards because they're positive.

Martin Webster: 00:41:42

But I got a tarot reading off this guy and he goes, shit, look at that card.

Martin Webster: 00:41:46

And it was.

Martin Webster: 00:41:46

It was like a soldier in every single, like, muskets to spears, like, to.

Martin Webster: 00:41:53

You've come back here every time and become a soldier.

Martin Webster: 00:41:56

Fucked up and then come back again.

Martin Webster: 00:41:58

I was like.

Martin Webster: 00:41:59

And then it was a ball of light.

Martin Webster: 00:42:00

He goes, oh, you get.

Martin Webster: 00:42:01

You get it this time.

Martin Webster: 00:42:02

You get it in this.

Martin Webster: 00:42:03

In this.

Heather Masters: 00:42:06

Yes.

Martin Webster: 00:42:07

But let me.

Martin Webster: 00:42:08

Let me talk about my films, the stuff that I've.

Martin Webster: 00:42:11

My art.

Martin Webster: 00:42:11

If I can talk a little bit.

Martin Webster: 00:42:12

Yeah, definitely.

Martin Webster: 00:42:14

That's been my saving grace because I went to art school.

Martin Webster: 00:42:16

Thank God for that.

Martin Webster: 00:42:17

Because that, you know, all through my army career, I've always felt like a sort of stifled artist.

Martin Webster: 00:42:24

I was still drawing when I was in the military and I was still thinking about media.

Martin Webster: 00:42:29

Started playing in a band, writing songs.

Martin Webster: 00:42:32

So I've had a varied career in the military, you know, written songs for films, I can't.

Martin Webster: 00:42:40

I mean, I've had such an interesting life, but, like, sometimes I wish I could have a normal brain where I don't have a brain that has to do all this.

Martin Webster: 00:42:50

So I started writing film scripts, came out the army.

Martin Webster: 00:42:53

I wrote the book Soldier of consequence.

Martin Webster: 00:42:55

Um, that one there, that's the.

Martin Webster: 00:43:01

The three things that I've been involved in over the last 15 years.

Martin Webster: 00:43:05

So I got.

Martin Webster: 00:43:05

I got out, started writing that book there, Soldier of Consequence, which is about my journey through post traumatic stress disorder.

Martin Webster: 00:43:13

Then I started to work on a documentary with some young filmmakers, which got me into making film.

Martin Webster: 00:43:18

And what I loved about making film was it covered all.

Martin Webster: 00:43:20

All of the mediums of art, like music, art, poetry.

Martin Webster: 00:43:25

And so that film there, diary of a disgraced soldier, is my journey through PTSD.

Martin Webster: 00:43:30

Now, when I made that, I hadn't discovered therapy.

Martin Webster: 00:43:33

So it's that if you want to see what I was like before I had any therapy, that is a hard watch that's on Amazon prime.

Martin Webster: 00:43:42

So I made that film, put it all on a credit card, because the BBC were going to offer me 20,000 pound to make it with them.

Martin Webster: 00:43:49

And I knew that they were going to make something of just bullshit.

Martin Webster: 00:43:52

So in the end, I thought, no, I'm going to stick it on a credit card.

Martin Webster: 00:43:54

I'll make it myself.

Martin Webster: 00:43:55

They said, oh, you'll never make this film.

Martin Webster: 00:43:58

There it stands.

Martin Webster: 00:44:00

History test.

Martin Webster: 00:44:02

So, finished that film, and then I started to work on.

Martin Webster: 00:44:06

Came away from the film, concentrated on my therapy, learning the therapy I had about two years out.

Martin Webster: 00:44:12

And then I started working on this project called the Penitent, which was a fiction film about a soldier.

Martin Webster: 00:44:18

That.

Martin Webster: 00:44:20

There's a poster of it there.

Martin Webster: 00:44:21

Stephen Kelly, he plays the main guy.

Martin Webster: 00:44:24

His dad was a soldier, so he was perfect cast for it.

Martin Webster: 00:44:27

Soldier goes through PTSD from the Bosnia war and goes for a horrific journey, but it covers the spirit tournaments.

Martin Webster: 00:44:34

I didn't put any of my therapy in it.

Martin Webster: 00:44:36

He just goes through basic counseling and he tries to, you know, conquer his.

Martin Webster: 00:44:41

His demons from war.

Martin Webster: 00:44:44

making that, it came to me at: 03:00

Martin Webster: 00:44:53

I'd heard about it when I was a kid.

Martin Webster: 00:44:55

I heard there was a legend that Jesus came to Cornwall.

Martin Webster: 00:45:00

And then for some reason, this story came to me, which I call the Grail.

Martin Webster: 00:45:05

There's a.

Martin Webster: 00:45:07

Not the holy Grail, is it?

Martin Webster: 00:45:09

That.

Martin Webster: 00:45:09

That's a prop from the film, but it's not actually.

Martin Webster: 00:45:11

The Grail was like the bloodline of Christ coming to Cornwall, but not the bloodline of Christ.

Martin Webster: 00:45:16

But the message is the Grail is the knowledge of healing.

Martin Webster: 00:45:21

So I started writing that and I had to basically just last five years, commit myself to making it in my own time with a load of actors.

Martin Webster: 00:45:32

And we're now 40 for 47 minutes in.

Martin Webster: 00:45:35

So we've nearly got an hour film, and then we're going to make it as three films about the legend that Jesus came to Cornwall.

Martin Webster: 00:45:42

And it's been an amazing journey, but the whole film has just been made in stages.

Martin Webster: 00:45:47

I get these, I get these little bit, I get these little.

Martin Webster: 00:45:51

So I do storyboards, I get these images that come through and I.

Martin Webster: 00:45:55

I just draw it out.

Martin Webster: 00:45:57

And then it's amazing how when you draw stuff, this is a great technique if you ever wanted to do manifestation is draw.

Martin Webster: 00:46:04

See yourself, draw yourself, draw the images.

Martin Webster: 00:46:06

And when I.

Martin Webster: 00:46:07

When.

Martin Webster: 00:46:08

When I'm making a film, when you see people in front of you that are learning, they learn your lines, they're acting and they, and they act out the little pictures that you drew.

Martin Webster: 00:46:15

It's bizarre.

Martin Webster: 00:46:16

Bizarre experience.

Martin Webster: 00:46:19

I do paintings, so I do paintings of the scenes and I've done like, like, so I do like these.

Martin Webster: 00:46:25

This painting of Christ walking on water, just working at the moment.

Martin Webster: 00:46:31

And now there's this scene where some guy gets his kid, his kid gets killed by a roman soldier.

Martin Webster: 00:46:36

And it's.

Martin Webster: 00:46:38

It's a bizarre film.

Martin Webster: 00:46:39

It's.

Martin Webster: 00:46:41

I was watching it the other day.

Martin Webster: 00:46:43

What I'll do is I'll send you the first 47 minutes I've edited.

Martin Webster: 00:46:46

And it's bad.

Martin Webster: 00:46:47

You need headphones to watch it, but it's just, I just wish I sometimes I wish I had a normal brain.

Martin Webster: 00:46:53

I wish I just like, oh, God, why am I making films?

Martin Webster: 00:46:58

Why am I doing that?

Martin Webster: 00:46:58

And then I do my fishing.

Martin Webster: 00:47:00

I got me fishing where I go oyster fishing and clams.

Martin Webster: 00:47:02

Today I was picking clams on the beach and mussels on the beach and.

Martin Webster: 00:47:07

And then I drop it off a place where they weigh it in and I get paid for it.

Martin Webster: 00:47:11

And.

Martin Webster: 00:47:12

But when I'm doing that, I get my best ideas when I'm searching for clams with a little rake on the sand.

Martin Webster: 00:47:16

And I just like.

Martin Webster: 00:47:17

And I'm in nature and I look, this is.

Martin Webster: 00:47:19

I pretty much got life right now exactly where I've always wanted it.

Martin Webster: 00:47:25

And I thought today, I thought if I was a millionaire, if I was a multi, would I still go out and pick clams?

Martin Webster: 00:47:31

And.

Martin Webster: 00:47:31

Yeah, I would.

Martin Webster: 00:47:32

I absolutely love it.

Martin Webster: 00:47:33

I love foraging on the beach.

Martin Webster: 00:47:36

It's been a big storm and it's pushed all the clams up the beach and the oysters, so it's easy to find them.

Martin Webster: 00:47:41

It's like when it's cold and wet and I've got my little hood up and there's water running down my back, but you feel that connection with the elements.

Martin Webster: 00:47:49

And interesting enough, where I go, where I go to the rose and pick my oysters and my mussels.

Martin Webster: 00:47:54

That's the legend.

Martin Webster: 00:47:55

Where the Jesus boat came in with Joseph Arama fear, and he came ashore and there's a church has been built specially for.

Martin Webster: 00:48:02

This is the legend goes.

Martin Webster: 00:48:04

Yeah, yeah, I've got a book on it, but I've not read it because I don't want to be influenced.

Martin Webster: 00:48:09

I want to channel this stuff.

Martin Webster: 00:48:11

And the way I've been making it and all the actors are just coming up that it's like their, their linguistics when they come out, it's like we're being transported back in time and being shown something that may have happened.

Heather Masters: 00:48:22

Yeah.

Martin Webster: 00:48:23

So anyway, calming down now.

Martin Webster: 00:48:26

I've got all my.

Martin Webster: 00:48:27

And that's where I am at the moment.

Martin Webster: 00:48:29

Just wait.

Martin Webster: 00:48:29

Like making my third film.

Heather Masters: 00:48:33

Okay.

Heather Masters: 00:48:34

Well, the podcast is called choosing Happy.

Heather Masters: 00:48:38

And the reason I called it choosing happy is, as you know, perception is projection.

Heather Masters: 00:48:43

And that ultimately everything is a choice.

Heather Masters: 00:48:46

How we see it, how we choose to change our perception.

Heather Masters: 00:48:52

So where you are now, as you, as you said, do you believe you're happy?

Heather Masters: 00:49:00

You've chosen happy.

Heather Masters: 00:49:01

You've found that you've made the choices that have got you to where you are today.

Martin Webster: 00:49:08

I feel where I'm at now is pretty much as perfect as I've.

Martin Webster: 00:49:15

I could have got it from, from, you know, what was, what was rattling around my brain today was, if you do what, do what you've always done, you always get what you've always got.

Martin Webster: 00:49:24

If you do what you've always done, you always get what you've always got.

Martin Webster: 00:49:27

That kept going around.

Martin Webster: 00:49:28

I need to make that as a meme or one of those things.

Martin Webster: 00:49:30

If you do what you've always done, you always get what you've always got.

Martin Webster: 00:49:33

So I'm constantly like, when I was in the, in the military, the thing that was saying we stuff in the army, which was in Northern Ireland, never set a pattern, because if you set a pattern, that's when the terrorist will take you out.

Martin Webster: 00:49:43

And.

Martin Webster: 00:49:43

And it was like the presence of the normal, absence of the normal.

Martin Webster: 00:49:47

And if you do, if you ever did the same thing twice, you could get blown up.

Martin Webster: 00:49:50

That's how serious it is, right?

Martin Webster: 00:49:51

So what I tried to do now is, even if it's driving the route, go a different way, take a different route.

Martin Webster: 00:49:57

Like sometimes there's like a back lane that you're driving along and you're going, do you know what?

Martin Webster: 00:50:00

I don't know where that goes.

Martin Webster: 00:50:01

Just drive down it.

Martin Webster: 00:50:03

You might have been met with the combine harvest.

Martin Webster: 00:50:05

When you wave the reverse all the way back, it doesn't matter.

Martin Webster: 00:50:08

Just constantly change, change.

Martin Webster: 00:50:12

Do your shadow work.

Martin Webster: 00:50:15

And everyone is work in progress.

Martin Webster: 00:50:19

I'm working progress.

Martin Webster: 00:50:19

Your work in progress.

Martin Webster: 00:50:20

The minute you think that you've got this nailed, someone's going to come along and push out your comfort zone.

Martin Webster: 00:50:27

But I think the people that are in their comfort zones, these multi, multi billionaires, that no one challenges them, everyone blows smoke up their ass, tells them how great they are.

Martin Webster: 00:50:36

Absolutely billionaires, right?

Martin Webster: 00:50:39

But are they happy?

Martin Webster: 00:50:41

You've got to have people in your life that push you and tell you, now you're talking shit there.

Martin Webster: 00:50:45

Like my partner, you're waffling shit now, because if you don't, you're, you're going to think your ego is going to get so big.

Martin Webster: 00:50:53

What was it Doctor Wayne Dye used to say about ego edging God out?

Martin Webster: 00:50:58

Ego stands for edging God out.

Martin Webster: 00:51:00

And I think the minute you start to think that you, I think also.

Heather Masters: 00:51:05

If you look at where we are now in terms of the transition of the planet that we're going through, if you look from Kali Yuga to sat Yuga, that that's where we're so in danger of either being taken over by your ego or making the choice, the conscious choice, as you say, to step into Christ consciousness.

Martin Webster: 00:51:29

Yeah.

Heather Masters: 00:51:30

And away from that.

Heather Masters: 00:51:31

And I think that's really something key that's happening at the moment.

Martin Webster: 00:51:35

Do you think?

Martin Webster: 00:51:38

I feel this is the great awakening and everybody is now, like now.

Martin Webster: 00:51:42

It's like now how quickly that everyone's waking up to Keir Starmer and you know how quick.

Martin Webster: 00:51:48

And you think, oh, my God, this is happening so fast now.

Martin Webster: 00:51:51

Look at the prime ministers we're turning over like, shit, get rid of him.

Martin Webster: 00:51:54

Shit, get rid of him.

Martin Webster: 00:51:55

Shit.

Martin Webster: 00:51:57

And it's like everyone's like the most, the most mainstream people, like labor voters that could be so staunch, like, oh, you know, Guardian reading, champagne sipping, like, sorry to say, like this, but you know, really liberal people who are lovely people, all the great intentions, right?

Martin Webster: 00:52:13

But they're starting to see now that, you know, you've got these idiots in, now that, you know, that we need a system.

Martin Webster: 00:52:20

It's SOCO completely different.

Martin Webster: 00:52:23

And I think it's going to come from the younger generation.

Martin Webster: 00:52:25

They're going to go, what.

Martin Webster: 00:52:26

What are these?

Martin Webster: 00:52:27

We're, like, hanging on, like, we got to keep these old systems, but, like, the roofing, come up with something simple, something strange.

Heather Masters: 00:52:36

I think we have to come.

Heather Masters: 00:52:37

Come back to, like, as you've said, I think it has to come back to everyone taking responsibility for their own lives fully in order that we can create something new, because a lot of people are still waiting for someone to.

Heather Masters: 00:52:53

To save us, and it's not going to happen.

Heather Masters: 00:52:56

Everything has to crumble before something new can be born.

Heather Masters: 00:52:59

And that's going to put a lot of people into shock as we go through this, because we haven't got that agency.

Martin Webster: 00:53:06

Yeah, well, look at.

Martin Webster: 00:53:07

Look what the vaccines have done.

Martin Webster: 00:53:09

I mean, how many people you've seen dying early because of these vaccines, because of these, you know, this poison that they've put into people and, like, people like my parents that bless them, you know, they'll take whatever.

Martin Webster: 00:53:20

The NHS has become like a religion.

Martin Webster: 00:53:23

It's become like a religion.

Martin Webster: 00:53:24

What was my cult telling me to do?

Martin Webster: 00:53:25

I must stick another jab into my arm.

Martin Webster: 00:53:27

I need this for polio.

Martin Webster: 00:53:28

I need this for this and this.

Martin Webster: 00:53:30

And I got to take a jab for this.

Martin Webster: 00:53:32

And there's going to be.

Martin Webster: 00:53:33

So, I mean, has it ever been this many vaccines?

Martin Webster: 00:53:35

Ever?

Martin Webster: 00:53:35

No.

Martin Webster: 00:53:37

You know, you've got doctor deaf.

Martin Webster: 00:53:38

What's he going to hit?

Martin Webster: 00:53:39

Doctor Hilary Jones every morning, prescribing his day of daily gloom, and you're going, mate, how can you live yourself?

Martin Webster: 00:53:46

How can you possibly call yourself a doctor?

Martin Webster: 00:53:48

To do no harm, to do now?

Martin Webster: 00:53:50

I swear to do no harm.

Martin Webster: 00:53:51

God, you've done more harm than you know.

Martin Webster: 00:53:54

And people like my mum would rather listen to Lorraine Kelly than flipping yourself inside your heart.

Martin Webster: 00:54:01

Like, we're in such.

Martin Webster: 00:54:03

We're in such a great time for people to do stuff to come through.

Martin Webster: 00:54:09

I mean, I think what's happening in America, you can say what you want about Trump, but that RFK is like, you know, he's just done a deal with Trump and said, look, I want to come in, I want to change the dietary system of our children.

Martin Webster: 00:54:19

Like, we don't want, you know, like, you say what you want about Trump, but it takes somebody like Trump, who's got the massive ego to take on the system of the Illuminati, the deep state, those people.

Martin Webster: 00:54:31

He's got to be somebody like Trump.

Martin Webster: 00:54:33

Don't agree with everything he says, but it's got to be someone of that nature to take on.

Martin Webster: 00:54:38

Was it, you need to match that energy and he has that sort of aggressive energy to take that on and they can't stand him.

Martin Webster: 00:54:46

You know, the deep state, all of those presidents going right back.

Martin Webster: 00:54:49

So we're in a.

Martin Webster: 00:54:50

I think once.

Martin Webster: 00:54:51

I think once Trump gets in, and I think, I'm not saying he's going to be, you know, that, but he's going to shut down the Ukraine war.

Martin Webster: 00:54:56

I mean, millions, they reckon a million people have died in that war.

Heather Masters: 00:55:01

Yeah.

Martin Webster: 00:55:01

I mean, I'm a frontline soldier.

Martin Webster: 00:55:03

dier's perspective, right, in: 2024

Martin Webster: 00:55:15

Bayonet in each other at close call that, that we look back at the first war go, oh, my God, I can't believe they did that.

Martin Webster: 00:55:21

That shit's happening now.

Martin Webster: 00:55:23

Child trafficking is happening now.

Martin Webster: 00:55:25

Slavery is happening now.

Martin Webster: 00:55:27

Let's just talk about slavery from the 18 hundreds.

Martin Webster: 00:55:30

No, let's talk about the slavery.

Martin Webster: 00:55:31

It's going on now.

Martin Webster: 00:55:32

Let's talk about, like, your puff daddies and stuff and what they're doing to children and that in the state, all of that shit is coming to an end.

Martin Webster: 00:55:40

All of it.

Martin Webster: 00:55:42

And all your idols and all the people that you thought of the celebrity world, you know?

Heather Masters: 00:55:47

Yep.

Martin Webster: 00:55:48

Like my films, right, my films, they won't be shown on, I know, Amazon prime and stuff like that, but they're too real.

Martin Webster: 00:55:57

They're too real.

Martin Webster: 00:55:57

I couldn't get into one UK film festival, but I got into, like, film festivals all around the world, but not one UK film festival because of the agendas that being pushed.

Heather Masters: 00:56:07

Yeah.

Heather Masters: 00:56:08

I mean, the.

Heather Masters: 00:56:10

I think, you know, as you, as you said that you went through a load of stuff and I did as well.

Heather Masters: 00:56:19

I think, personally, I'm taking it, you know, everything is a plan and for me, it's like an apprenticeship for what's meant to happen to help people, as it's already happening this week.

Heather Masters: 00:56:34

This week.

Heather Masters: 00:56:35

Then the stuff that's coming out about child trafficking and chrome and stuff is, you know, it's coming out.

Heather Masters: 00:56:42

And that takes some getting your head round.

Heather Masters: 00:56:47

Yeah.

Martin Webster: 00:56:47

And also the witnesses, the people to do it, because they're fearful of the retribution from these big higher powers that are connected with this stuff.

Martin Webster: 00:56:55

You know, it's like, you know, when I spoke out in dire of a disgraced soldier, when I was speaking out against the Iraq war and stuff like that, you know, I was.

Martin Webster: 00:57:04

I was fearful of my family being targeted, you know, or being suicided, if you like, you know?

Heather Masters: 00:57:10

Yeah.

Martin Webster: 00:57:11

Because whenever you do speak out, you do have those level of fears.

Martin Webster: 00:57:14

And what happened to Jeffrey Epstein or what probably gonna happen to puff Daddy in the next few weeks when they realize he's gonna blow the lid on all of these, they're probably cutting medill, realize he's gonna sing like a canary, and they'll end up.

Heather Masters: 00:57:27

He already has because of the stuff that's already coming out.

Heather Masters: 00:57:30

I think he already has.

Martin Webster: 00:57:32

Yeah.

Martin Webster: 00:57:32

But then it's like, how safe is he in the prison system?

Martin Webster: 00:57:35

Like Jeffrey Epstein?

Martin Webster: 00:57:37

The thing is, you know, this is the biggest organization of corruption in it.

Martin Webster: 00:57:42

And it's interesting because people say, is it the work of the devil?

Martin Webster: 00:57:46

And like, when I've been making this film grail, we're gonna have a.

Martin Webster: 00:57:50

Where Lucifer come.

Martin Webster: 00:57:51

Like, Lucifer comes in and speaks to Joseph Aramafia.

Martin Webster: 00:57:55

And when we wrote the script, or when me and Jordan talked about the script, how.

Martin Webster: 00:57:59

How do we approach the Lucifer that's in this film and the way that Lucifer talks to Joseph?

Martin Webster: 00:58:05

Because Joseph's like, why am I going through these trials?

Martin Webster: 00:58:07

What?

Martin Webster: 00:58:07

He's like, basically saying, why am I going through all this stuff?

Martin Webster: 00:58:10

And basically what Lucifer's saying to him is, you create your own hell on this earth.

Martin Webster: 00:58:17

He just runs the game.

Martin Webster: 00:58:18

He runs the game.

Martin Webster: 00:58:19

And all of this stuff is perpetrated by man.

Martin Webster: 00:58:21

It's like what you mentioned.

Martin Webster: 00:58:21

It's choice points.

Martin Webster: 00:58:23

It's options.

Martin Webster: 00:58:24

Do you come here and are you an absolute bastard?

Martin Webster: 00:58:28

Or do you come here and you play the game fair and you take only what you need to take?

Martin Webster: 00:58:33

Because you come here with nothing, you leave with nothing, you know?

Martin Webster: 00:58:37

And it's like the way that the Lucifer in our film is, he's a fallen angel, and he's been given to this purgatory, whatever we want to call this Earth plane, to run.

Martin Webster: 00:58:48

And on it, he just says, he just facilitates the game if you look at it.

Martin Webster: 00:58:54

And I don't know if that's true.

Martin Webster: 00:58:55

That's just the interpretation that we've put into Grail.

Martin Webster: 00:58:57

And, like, I can't wait to see Grail back in its entirety, because when I made penitent, like, when I made it, I tried to.

Martin Webster: 00:59:04

The story was channeled through me.

Martin Webster: 00:59:05

So every bit that came through, when I watched it back afterwards, oh, my God.

Martin Webster: 00:59:09

Like, you know, when he's walking up the steps and he's going up, like he's going up to.

Martin Webster: 00:59:14

To going to kill this.

Martin Webster: 00:59:15

He's going to go out and take revenge.

Martin Webster: 00:59:17

And he's walking up the steps.

Martin Webster: 00:59:18

There's these little angels that were on the steps that were made out of little.

Martin Webster: 00:59:21

And I didn't notice it until we filmed, like, after we'd filmed it.

Martin Webster: 00:59:24

And he falls down on the steps and there's these little angels made out of little bits of broken, broken tiles, and they're all the way dotted up the steps.

Martin Webster: 00:59:35

And there's all these little, there's these little things that only now I see in the film that are after, oh, my God.

Martin Webster: 00:59:40

Those little synchronicities.

Martin Webster: 00:59:41

I didn't, I didn't put them in there intentionally, you know, and numbers and things that are there, numerology and stuff like that.

Martin Webster: 00:59:49

And I was like, wow, that something was speaking for some higher power was speaking to, like, through this film, the penitent.

Martin Webster: 00:59:57

And, um, yes, it's an interesting film.

Martin Webster: 01:00:02

Be interesting to see if, uh, in the future how it sort of, how it's sort of, um, viewed, but, um.

Martin Webster: 01:00:10

Oh, no, I just, I'm just very blessed, you know, I'm very blessed to have a lovely family.

Martin Webster: 01:00:16

That's what I try to do.

Martin Webster: 01:00:17

I try to help other people have what I have.

Martin Webster: 01:00:19

I think if you can do that, then that's a special gift.

Martin Webster: 01:00:23

It's like, just try and help people get what you.

Martin Webster: 01:00:25

That you have.

Martin Webster: 01:00:26

You know?

Martin Webster: 01:00:27

I've worked on my own shadow work and my own jealousies.

Martin Webster: 01:00:29

Whenever I looked at someone in life and gone, do you know what?

Martin Webster: 01:00:32

I'm really jealous of that person, or I don't like.

Martin Webster: 01:00:34

And I've had to have that conversation with myself.

Martin Webster: 01:00:35

Queen.

Martin Webster: 01:00:37

I can't believe I'm thinking or feeling like that.

Martin Webster: 01:00:39

More shadow work, more change work.

Martin Webster: 01:00:42

You know, it's like I say to a couple, if you want to have a loving relationship, you've got to first look at a loving relationship.

Martin Webster: 01:00:47

Oh, isn't that sweet?

Martin Webster: 01:00:48

But mean it from your heart.

Martin Webster: 01:00:50

But if you don't feel it, how can you ever have that in yourself?

Martin Webster: 01:00:53

You're feeling like, oh, bastards, how come they've got it all?

Martin Webster: 01:00:57

Or when you see someone with lots of money and you go, oh, but, like, you're jealous of that.

Martin Webster: 01:01:01

The thing is, how could you ever amass the money that you want to put yourself in a, in a position where.

Martin Webster: 01:01:07

So I'm thinking at the moment, I want to manifest to be mortgage free in the next few years, because the actual how, how much more positive work I could do if I didn't have that, that chain around my neck of being tied to bricks and mortar.

Martin Webster: 01:01:23

You know, how much more, how more effective I could be for the universe?

Martin Webster: 01:01:27

So, universe, get this mortgage pay, and I'll work for free.

Martin Webster: 01:01:33

I work, I work even harder, you know, because I'll have more energy.

Martin Webster: 01:01:37

But we know putting that into just like that rap race, trying to, when you're doing that, when you're just treading water and you're just trying to stay afloat, keeping your head up, you know.

Martin Webster: 01:01:49

Yeah.

Martin Webster: 01:01:50

But then would, would you, would if that was all taken away from you, would you?

Martin Webster: 01:01:55

I can't bother, though.

Martin Webster: 01:01:56

I've made it.

Heather Masters: 01:01:59

I was thinking about this the other day, actually, and I think, yeah, I would, because it's just the way I'm made.

Heather Masters: 01:02:07

I just.

Heather Masters: 01:02:07

Yeah, no, it's not learning and teaching and help him.

Martin Webster: 01:02:11

I've been helping this oysterman at the moment, and it's like, I sit in there every day and I can't do any of this therapy stuff with him because he's completely autistic.

Martin Webster: 01:02:19

Lovely guy, works his ass off, but there's this conflict between him and the people that buy his oysters.

Martin Webster: 01:02:25

And he was just getting all of his anger out towards them.

Martin Webster: 01:02:29

And I was just sitting there and I thought, there's no way I can do any NLP with him when he hit.

Martin Webster: 01:02:35

And I just had to sit there and suck it up and listen to it.

Martin Webster: 01:02:38

And I was like, he made me.

Martin Webster: 01:02:39

I thought, right, he's made me a lovely coffee.

Martin Webster: 01:02:40

So I'm sat here and I'm thinking, I'm getting a lovely coffee, maybe a hot milk, and I'm drinking that, and I was just gonna, I'm not gonna absorb any of his stuff.

Martin Webster: 01:02:48

And I was just looking at him and he's going, he goes, oh.

Martin Webster: 01:02:51

He goes.

Martin Webster: 01:02:52

But then he started going, oh, you're an ex soldier.

Martin Webster: 01:02:54

Can I not hire you to assassinate them?

Martin Webster: 01:02:56

Jokingly joking.

Martin Webster: 01:02:57

And I was laughing or, no, I said, I said, what's the out, what's.

Martin Webster: 01:03:04

I did use a bit of energy.

Martin Webster: 01:03:05

I said, look, what, what's the outcome of all this?

Martin Webster: 01:03:08

What, how do we, how, what's the compromise in this situation?

Martin Webster: 01:03:11

That's what I said to him.

Martin Webster: 01:03:13

What's the compromise?

Martin Webster: 01:03:14

What do you want from, you know, I just used some subtle NLP.

Martin Webster: 01:03:19

I couldn't, like, go into an intervention with him getting to let go all his anger towards, like, his, his mum and dad and these people that.

Martin Webster: 01:03:28

But these gifts that we have, they come with great responsibility, didn't they?

Martin Webster: 01:03:31

And that girl I've just trained, Lexi, she's like, oh, my God, I can heal the world with this.

Martin Webster: 01:03:34

And that's how I felt.

Martin Webster: 01:03:35

And then you suddenly get the universe puts you right back in your place.

Martin Webster: 01:03:40

Yeah.

Martin Webster: 01:03:40

You're only human.

Martin Webster: 01:03:41

You can only do so much.

Heather Masters: 01:03:43

Yep.

Heather Masters: 01:03:44

You see, go through a whole learning of where you can't help, where your limits are.

Martin Webster: 01:03:49

Do you think that's that?

Martin Webster: 01:03:50

I think that's the hardest thing to get your head around is you can't help everybody.

Martin Webster: 01:03:54

Don't you think?

Martin Webster: 01:03:54

Heather?

Martin Webster: 01:03:55

It's like, almost like you, if you're a good person, you want the best for everyone, even people that you dislike slightly, you want the best for everyone.

Martin Webster: 01:04:02

But actually, that's just not possible.

Martin Webster: 01:04:05

And it's like having to know when to just stop helping people and setting boundaries and going.

Martin Webster: 01:04:12

Actually, my energies needs to be used somewhere else.

Heather Masters: 01:04:16

The biggest learning is letting someone else have their learning.

Martin Webster: 01:04:22

Yeah.

Heather Masters: 01:04:23

Because we're all here for our own journeys.

Heather Masters: 01:04:27

And sometimes as a helper, you want to.

Heather Masters: 01:04:32

You're taking away that learning by kind of enabling them in a different way.

Martin Webster: 01:04:37

And sometimes they need more pain.

Martin Webster: 01:04:39

They haven't had enough pain.

Martin Webster: 01:04:40

And you actually, by pulling back and go, do you know what?

Martin Webster: 01:04:43

You need some more pain in this area because.

Heather Masters: 01:04:47

Because you're only delaying the inevitable.

Martin Webster: 01:04:54

But the ones that you help as well, and, like, they don't have the emotional intelligence to realize that you helped them until you're long gone and you.

Martin Webster: 01:05:00

And, like, you've blocked them and you don't want nothing to do with them ever again.

Martin Webster: 01:05:03

And they go, no, actually, I realized what you did for me there.

Heather Masters: 01:05:06

Yeah, but that's okay.

Martin Webster: 01:05:11

That's part of the journey, isn't it?

Heather Masters: 01:05:13

It is.

Martin Webster: 01:05:14

Have you got any questions for me just before we wind up or.

Heather Masters: 01:05:18

Just the final question that I ask everyone is, as we're winding up, is there any last thoughts that comes to you that you want to share about this journey?

Heather Masters: 01:05:28

About your journey?

Martin Webster: 01:05:32

I just think if you can enjoy this trip while you're on it, it can be as long and painful if you want it, or it can be as fun and exciting as you want it to be, you know, and to just be in the now and appreciate the here and now and don't waste his time.

Martin Webster: 01:05:55

Don't waste this time, you know?

Martin Webster: 01:05:57

Do not waste his time.

Martin Webster: 01:05:59

There's.

Martin Webster: 01:05:59

There's so much more to be done and crammed in.

Martin Webster: 01:06:03

And every day I wake up, I think, right, what?

Martin Webster: 01:06:06

Right, what can I fill your diary with?

Martin Webster: 01:06:09

Little things of constantly set goals.

Martin Webster: 01:06:12

It's when you run out of those goals and patience and be.

Martin Webster: 01:06:17

And be patient.

Martin Webster: 01:06:18

That's been the hardest thing I've ever to learn because I'm not a patient person by, like, my films take a long time to come out and we have no money to make them, but they just evolve and they come out.

Martin Webster: 01:06:31

And then, like, when I look at these, these, I just look at that and I'm just so proud of that.

Martin Webster: 01:06:36

To get like, that's got my music in it, it's got my art and it's got everything.

Martin Webster: 01:06:40

And you're collaborating, collaborating with some amazing people.

Martin Webster: 01:06:44

There's so many amazing actors out there that would just, you know, I appreciate.

Martin Webster: 01:06:49

Not everyone can make a film, but, but everyone has a book in them.

Martin Webster: 01:06:55

So if we take that, everyone has a book in them.

Martin Webster: 01:06:57

So if you get a chance to start writing on your book, no matter what it is, get it into a.

Martin Webster: 01:07:02

Get it into a book, write a film script, write a poem.

Martin Webster: 01:07:06

What is it?

Martin Webster: 01:07:07

Harry de Silver.

Martin Webster: 01:07:09

I got to talk about Harry de Silver.

Martin Webster: 01:07:10

I go, Harry de Silva said, in life, you die twice.

Martin Webster: 01:07:13

The first time you die is when you physically die.

Martin Webster: 01:07:17

The second time is when people stop talking about you.

Heather Masters: 01:07:20

Yeah.

Martin Webster: 01:07:21

Right.

Heather Masters: 01:07:22

Yeah.

Martin Webster: 01:07:22

So don't die with your music left in you.

Martin Webster: 01:07:25

You know what, and be a good person, because when you, when you, when this time is up, how will people talk about you?

Heather Masters: 01:07:31

Yeah.

Martin Webster: 01:07:33

And then one last one.

Martin Webster: 01:07:34

This was a real good one, which I love, right?

Martin Webster: 01:07:37

The thing I've learned in life, there's the three types of souls, right?

Martin Webster: 01:07:42

Three types of souls.

Martin Webster: 01:07:43

You got new souls who come into this world and you can see them, they're like, they're really naive.

Martin Webster: 01:07:47

Sometimes they'll walk out in front of traffic.

Martin Webster: 01:07:48

They've got caring, the world and I.

Martin Webster: 01:07:50

Right, new souls.

Martin Webster: 01:07:52

Right.

Martin Webster: 01:07:52

Then you've got old souls who are wise people like yourself, you can learn from.

Martin Webster: 01:07:56

You can always get a new bit of information from there.

Martin Webster: 01:07:58

They're look after you, they guide you.

Martin Webster: 01:08:01

And then you've got assholes and there's nothing you can do.

Martin Webster: 01:08:06

There's nothing you can do with an asshole.

Martin Webster: 01:08:08

And that's how we're going to end it tonight.

Martin Webster: 01:08:11

New souls, old souls and assholes.

Martin Webster: 01:08:18

Don't take yourself too seriously.

Heather Masters: 01:08:20

Yeah, definitely that.

Heather Masters: 01:08:23

So.

Heather Masters: 01:08:23

Thank you, Mark, thanks.

Martin Webster: 01:08:26

Been a pleasure.

Heather Masters: 01:08:28

Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to this week's episode.

Heather Masters: 01:08:33

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Heather Masters: 01:08:37

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Heather Masters: 01:08:40

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Heather Masters: 01:08:43

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